Elyssa was my teen almost-sweetheart. I was 16-17 in grade 11 and she was 15-16 in grade 10. We both attended the same class. One day during the first two weeks of school, a classmate tapped my shoulder and handed me a note. For a moment, I thought someone played a prank on me with something nasty in the folded paper like chewed gum or worst, loogie. Alas, I got a lovely surprise from a girl the next column of desks over.

^ As you can see, like most people, she spelled my name wrong.

To summarize the 9-ish months from September 1995 to June 1996, my relationship with her was all over the place. I was too young and immature to deal with a girl who wanted me. When I couldn’t reciprocate affection back to her, she translated that into me deliberately trying to hurt her, conveniently disregarding the fact she did everything she could to test me in the process. For example, because of my outward indifference, she would grab some random guy, flirt with him like crazy, then loudly proclaim how much better he was than me. I ignored her which frustrated her even more. Eventually, she left Cambie school for John Oliver in Vancouver the next year.

I posted an answer on Quora back in 2018 about Elyssa here: “If a girl likes you, how will she try and make you jealous?“.

We continued to loosely keep in touch from 2001 to 2007, where in 2001 or 2002, Elyssa called me one night in a state of panic that her boyfriend at the time who impregnated her, had mistreated her and she was in fear for her life. So in haste, I reached out to my friend Albert who lived a block from me in Richmond to go rescue her. It was around 1am by the time we picked her up from near Cloverdale in east Surrey. She was standing at the sidewalk with a pregnant belly, a baby carrier basket for her first born, a large bag of baby stuff, and a backpack. While Albert loaded her stuff up, I helped her into the backseat, then told her not to think too much and get some rest. After that, we drove to her parents’ place in Vancouver. By the time Albert took me home, it was just after 3am. Albert had an exam a few hours later at UBC. He was studying when I called him. Albert was truly a great friend and brother. He didn’t even ask me any questions when he helped me rescue her.

Elyssa and I met up at the Cambie community centre sometime in the middle of 2007. We hung out there, talked about stuff for about 40 minutes when she asked me if I would be interested in meeting her Caucasian cousin Marie. I said “Caucasian” because Elyssa is Vietnamese.

I didn’t have much of an opinion about Marie, since I have only spoken with her on the phone and never met her in person. Elyssa told me I should consider her cousin, since her cousin thinks I’m cute. I raised my eyebrow and thought it was too suspicious. She continued by asking me if I would be interested in dating her and of course, I just stared at her with a subtle smirk, because Elyssa tends to go around in circles before getting to the point. She continued with her usual pestering of the “whys” and “why nots”. After she went around in circles testing the waters of how I might respond, she finally outright asked, “Would you be interested in Vietnamese girls?”

Which I replied, “Does she have kids?”

You see, Elyssa has two kids, is a year younger than me, and is Vietnamese…

She laughed, blushed hard, and replied, “Maybe.”

We didn’t speak for a few minutes after that. I just turned my head away from her and sighed. She then continued to speak with me and eventually asked why she doesn’t attract men who want her for her and not just for sex.

I remember blankly staring at her for a bit, then answered, “Because you’re boring and the only thing you can give is sex. What else do you have to offer?”

She laughed, obviously due to the discomfort of how blunt I was, and she slapped my shoulder a few times – this was something she did throughout high school as well. After seeing her obviously becoming uncomfortable with my bluntness, I sighed and continued in a more gentler tone, “In other words, you obviously want to be loved and respected. That means you must build yourself up first before seeking other people to fill in a void you have.”

She thought about this for a long time before we left to go elsewhere. I know my words resonated inside her, but I also knew that the idea of loneliness and never finding love terrified her at the same time.

I saw Elyssa again in October of 2007, when I treated her to dinner at Tokyo Ichiban. On the way back to my house, she parked in front of the gate briefly. Something came over me very suddenly, which was completely out of my character. I reached over and kissed her face gently. She suddenly looked super surprised and rhetorically asked, “What was that?! I thought…” I cut her off and apologized. Elyssa continued, “No Leeman, I didn’t mean it was bad or anything. You just never kiss me.”

That annoyed me a bit and I responded, “Actually we have kissed before. Back in high school. We never made out, but we’ve kissed, usually on each others’ faces and I’ve kissed your hand before.” Elyssa has selective memory and tend to remember only the negative things. She then proceeded in an annoying manner, “Are you sure?! I don’t remember any of that. Wait, maybe. I don’t know!”

I rolled my eyes, and she slapped my shoulder again. My goth, that’s annoying. As I was about to leave her car, she suddenly stopped me and said, “Will I see you again?” It’s odd she asked that, because it actually felt like this was our last time seeing and speaking with each other. So very suddenly, my heart beat went up a notch and I reached over again and kissed the corner of her mouth. She closed her eyes and I whispered, “Let’s have sex.”

I guess I took her by surprise, because she rejected me right then and there with giggles. I shrugged casually as I waited another response, then said good night before leaving her car.

The night after that, Elyssa called me really late at night. Marie was at her house and they both wanted a threesome with me. In Elyssa’s exact words, “You were right Leeman. We only live once. Let’s do it.”

Well, I declined. Not because I didn’t want to fuck two horny girls who actually wanted me, but because I couldn’t get it out of my head how we will sound in my bedroom that is next to the living room where my parents were watching television at a quiet volume. I’ve heard Elyssa moan before when she was a teenager. She’s not subtle. So I imagined that two horny girls fucking me would probably not be quiet. I foolishly declined their offer. I found out years later, that they were frustrated with me, but didn’t do anything about it afterwards.


So that was that. I never heard from Elyssa for a long time after that. Apparently, from 2007 to about 2009, she had a lot of wild sex with many different men. She lost a lot of weight, and changed the way she dolled herself up. Basically, she went from run-of-the-mill darkly-dressed Asian, to super-sexed-up stringy-dressed Asian who permeates sexual feminine energy. Sometime in 2010, I saw a few very sexy pictures of her on Facebook and tried reconnecting with her, but she was aloof and uninterested. So I stopped contacting her after three short messages.

Then in February 2021, I saw her online status on Facebook Messenger. I thought it weird that she’s online, but her profile was removed. So taking a chance, I messaged her. She responded within a few minutes. After a bit of that, we took our conversations to Whatsapp and voice calls. Now I need to bring a point of understanding in why I did what I did after reconnecting with Elyssa in 2021.

By 2021, it had been a bit over 10 years since I briefly saw her become a strong sexual female who I had thought, had finally took control of her own life. It had been 14 years since we last spoken, where she was still that immature annoying girl who didn’t really grow up since her teenage years. It had been 25 years since our messed-up pseudo intimate relationship when we were both teenagers in high school. So by 2021, I thought after going through two decades of life’s experiences, Elyssa must have evolved into someone who has a lot of stories to tell, and an evolved personality to be admired for, a dynamically mature individual who I can reconnect with. I thought she must have blossomed into a glorious person with many interests, after having gone through the hardships she’s had, and the sex she has experienced.

Since I was also in a non-monogamous relationship with Amber, I could use the opportunity to reconnect with Elyssa mentally, emotionally, and intimately. I truly thought how amazing it could be, if we could finally be true friends with benefits together. Two mature sexually open minded adults with a history from a long time ago was a lovely thought.

So, after some back and forth to get a feel how she has become, I asked Elyssa to be my friend with benefits about two weeks later. She rejected me on two notions.

  • The first was that I had hurt her in the past.
  • The second was that I am married.

Both of these reasons mind boggled me.

Firstly, in 1995 to 1996, I was 16-17 and Elyssa was 15-16. I was an insecure ‘nobody’ back then, where my peers made fun of me and often tried to bully me without success. The only thing I did to hurt her, was not accept her as my girlfriend. She even offered me a blowjob when we were teens, and I rejected her offer. I didn’t even use her for anything. I never spread rumours about her, and never said bad things about her to other people. On the other hand, she played games with me, trying to get me jealous, and when I had no reaction, she started spreading rumours about me.

Secondly, even though I told her I am in a non-monogamous relationship, Elyssa couldn’t accept the fact I wanted a sexual relationship with her and couldn’t stop repeating, “But you’re married.” I was confused, because she told me a story of a recent experience, where she was sleeping with a guy who already had a girlfriend. Except, that guy was cheating on his girlfriend. I wasn’t cheating on Amber. It seems to me that she would rather sleep with a guy who is cheating on his girlfriend, with the possibility he may break up with her to be with Elyssa, than to actually engage in a mature intimate relationship with someone who is available. She told me later that she didn’t like the idea of sharing me with others.

I mentioned this to one of my other friends and she said that perhaps Elyssa puts me on a different pedestal than the rest of the guys. However, in a separate conversation with Amber, she told me that it’s more likely that Elyssa just has a naive view on the possibility of having a meaningful loving relationship with me, but obviously doesn’t want to share me with anyone. Amber laughed when she said that, because she also said, “It’s funny she thinks she would be sharing you with me. It hasn’t occurred to her that *I* am the one sharing my husband. She’s just a side chick.” Amber also mentioned, “Elyssa doesn’t mind being with a guy whose cheating on his girlfriend to be with her, because in her twisted mentality, she is considered to be in ‘first place’. The guy chose to sleep with Elyssa, which makes Elyssa a priority. If she ends up with you, she would no longer be a priority, but someone you occasionally have sex with. She would be in second place.”

^ She sent me this back in April 2021, after I told her I would not mind continuing a friendship with her, after she rejected my FWB proposition. Of course, what she said here was a blatant lie. She still maintained a sexual relationship with at least one other person and seem to be sleeping around with another. So “new me” my ass!

The reason I even asked Elyssa to be my friend with benefits, was that she previously told me a guy had wanted a friend with benefits relationship with her. Yet, after he slept with her once, he made no effort to see her again. Since I was available and wanted a friend with benefits, unknowing that Elyssa hadn’t changed all that much at the time, I propositioned Elyssa on the notion she’s still up for having a friend with benefits. So when she rejected me, I was confused as to her reasons, because these other guys keep hurting and ignoring her, but she continue to want their attention. Yet, I am completely available and actually have a history with her, that want to be friends with her, but she rejects me anyway.

So it was at this point that it dawned on me that Elyssa hadn’t at all changed since she was a teenager. There was absolutely no growth in character and no evolution of her emotional maturity. Very disappointingly at 41, she was still the exact same as she was when she was 15-16. The only main difference is that she’s had more experience under her belt, but nothing else.

To further prove my thought process here, we actually connected on Tinder by sheer luck. As a ‘just for laughs’, we ‘Liked’ each other on there. Upon visiting her profile again, I realized her profile was blank and she uploaded two of the sexiest pictures she had of herself, one of which was an old one from over ten years ago. Earlier, I mentioned that Elyssa had asked why she only attracted men that only want her for sex, in which I responded that she has nothing else going for her and she is a boring person. In a conversation that ensued after connecting with her on Tinder, Elyssa mentioned she really wants to find someone who wants a proper relationship with her, but doesn’t know how. I was flabbergasted by this, because I pointed out the obvious reasons as to why she isn’t attracting the ‘right’ men.

I tried reasoning with her, “Your Tinder profile literally has nothing on it, except two pictures of you. One is a picture of you from over ten years ago showing cleavage, and the other, a more recent picture where you’re wearing a crap load of make-up. You seriously don’t know how to get into a proper relationship?! Perhaps you should start putting up a proper profile on your Tinder page!”

I spent an hour trying to make her understand that men would see her profile and immediately see her as someone whose looking for sex and not someone whose looking for romance. So I asked her a bunch of questions about hobbies. I found out her hobbies are exactly the same as they were back when she was a teenager: shopping and watch television. Those aren’t really hobbies! Those are things people do when they have nothing else to do!

The way she tackles people and relationships is completely backwards! Since Elyssa is lacking in hobbies herself, she seeks out men on the notion that she must get to know them first before she realizes what interests her. I mean… WHAT THE FUCK?! o_O When she said “Someone who is caring, honest, and makes me laugh”, I blankly stared at my phone screen for a few seconds in disbelief. Those things are the defaults to all healthy relationships! She might as well have said, “Someone who is human, is alive, breathes air, and has a brain.” Well, duuuuh!

When figuring out what she wants in men, it should be basic common sense that men should complement her own interests, and not the other way around, where she goes in completely blind, not knowing anything until after she speaks with them. It should NOT be:

  • I don’t know what I like in men.
  • Men have to tell me what they like first.
  • Then I will decide whether they are interesting or not.

Those things are totally backwards!!!

Instead, it SHOULD be:

  • I love XYZ things.
  • My hobbies are XYZ things.
  • I enjoy doing some of those XYZ things with other people.
  • I like men who do ABC things based on my own hobbies.

Even if you don’t know exactly the things you want in a guy, that’s what dating is for! Dating is literally hanging out with someone on the notion that there is a possibility for further intimacy. Dating is when you hang out, speak with each other, find out your compatibility and incompatibilities. I am totally at a lost as to how she proceeds with the whole dating aspect of her initial meet ups with men.

[long sigh]

Regardless, we did finally meet up once, after she flaked out. I treated her to delivered sushi and we had a pretty nice bit of chatter. We had a lot to catch up on. When she was here and we talked, she was really the same old Elyssa, except older and more experienced. I actually enjoyed her company. At the very least, she wasn’t boring, even though I still found her a bit annoying but not fully in a negative way. It felt like high school all over again, without all of the other bullshit that set us back in communication. It felt for that brief moment, that we were adults catching up on lost time. However, once she departed and went back to talking on Whatsapp, it was super stressful just to get clarity from her. Basically, as time went on, Elyssa spoke in cryptic ways, leaving things out, being mysterious, and basically, being very annoying. I felt blessed that she rejected my initial FWB proposition. She would have brought me endless torment and drama.

^ She was telling about how her current fuck buddy wasn’t answering her messages. She then asked me to fuck her. I considered it for a split moment, but decided to ignore it.

Some more stuff happened for the next few months until roughly September 2021, where we stopped speaking with each other completely again. Before that, Elyssa had shared with me an incident about a friend with benefits that stopped responding to her. Basically, to cut that long and stressful conversation short, after her long term boyfriend passed away, she started seeing her FWB from 5 years ago again. They had sex a few times, where she started to have feelings for him. She told him this, and he started ghosting her. He told her he needs time to sort out his own shit first. Instead of respecting his wishes, she sends him a message using a different number. When he asked her who she was, Elyssa told him it was John, her son’s name on the idea that whoever sent her a response, could have been her FWB’s girlfriend. After some back and forth, Elyssa told him that it was her, which inflamed her FWB. He thought Elyssa was playing games with him, then blocked her.

One of my other friends, while speaking about someone completely different, mentioned that people don’t fully mature until their mid to late 20s, where their frontal lobes are still developing. Trauma also causes people to get stuck forever in time, when the trauma itself happened. So remembering this conversation, I applied it to Elyssa and it all made sense suddenly. However, regardless of it all making sense, it still didn’t excuse her behaviour and attitude. It didn’t excuse her decisions as an adult. I won’t argue that ‘she should have known better’, but I will argue that she should have recognized those faults of her since day 1 we spoke about her repeated pattern of behaviour since we were in our early 20s. From recognizing those faults, she could have owned up to herself, and gradually ‘fix’ herself, possibly even with the help of therapy. Better yet, how about get better friends? Elyssa told me all of her other friends are pretty useless in the sense they give her some of the dumbest advice ever, and they don’t really listen to her.

For example, when she slept with a guy earlier in 2021, he told her beforehand, he wanted Elyssa to be his FWB. After they had sex, he ghosted her. A month after that, Elyssa asked her friends for advice, and her friend said, “At least he’s trying.” On the notion that he still responded, even though he broke every single promise to hang out, he was ‘trying’.

That’s not trying! That’s literally the opposite of trying!

It seems Elyssa’s baseline for the idea of a decent man is perpetuated by how her friends think a decent man must be, at the very worst bare minimum in the ‘quality’ of what a man can be.

To give you further food for thought, whenever Amber praises and compliments me for my good behaviour, I remind Amber that my good behaviour is the default baseline. At least it should be. I am not using myself as a reference point. I am using this behaviour and attitude for every single other person out there I’ve come across, as a reference point.

In short, I wanted Elyssa as my friend. I wanted to hang out with her. I wanted to eat stuff, play video games, talk about life, and take strolls around parks with her, WHILE occasionally have some sex and intimacy with her. I didn’t ghost her after she rejected me. I stayed for as long as I did, even after all of the same bullshit that keeps happening in her life. It’s too bad that she says she wants a friend with benefits, but keep connecting with men who only wants the benefits. It seems perhaps that’s what she wants all of this time, kidding herself that she’s really up for a friend.

Like I mentioned in a different post, I don’t need more unrest in my life. Still, I was disappointed that after 25 years, she still held onto things from our far past, that shouldn’t mean anything today. Obviously I’ve outgrown that immaturity and insecurity of my past. Of course, it annoys me that she conveniently disregarded her own wrongdoing on the one sided notion that I was the only one who had hurt her when we were teenagers. Rhetorically, I asked myself, “How is it possible, that people can selectively choose what they remember, filtering out everything else?” In short, I truly believed that people should be able to change and evolve themselves, especially after two decades of experiencing an adult’s lifestyle, but after dealing with Elyssa, I realized some people simply never evolve or evolve very little. The 41 year old version of Elyssa is just slightly different than the 16 year old version of herself.

There was a part of me, that really wanted to reconnect with her on the notion she has become a much more refined, dynamically matured version of who she used to be. I wanted to desperately connect with the evolved adult version of her, to be able to share laughter, moments of a sentiment through a broken past, a buddy to cuddle with, and occasionally have some intimacy with. I wanted to be one of the people in her life she can emotionally rely on, at the same time she’s building on herself. Alas, this will never happen and she will continue that trauma until she fades away from this lifetime.

At the very least, I hope Elyssa, in whatever endeavours she goes for, she will eventually find peace and acceptance.


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  1. 1

    Isn’t this the same woman who borrowed money from you to buy a dress and returned it the next day after wearing it to a dinner?

  2. 3

    Perhaps your way of slapping sense into her is too harsh? She needs a friend that says it how it is without bashing her at the same time. It seems she’s too used to having useless friends that tell her what she wants to hear. Then again, I can’t stand people like her no matter what trauma she may have experienced. No accountability is a huge turn off. I LOL’ED HARD at “Someone who is human, is alive, breathes air, and has a brain.” There isn’t a lack of people with such low standards in potential mates unfortunately.

  3. 5

    It’s unfortunate to hear that Elyssa has faced such challenges in her relationships but trauma does that to people. As an outsider I cannot fault her for her wishy washy attitude but I know it can be frustrating to have someone like that in your life.

  4. 6

    DO NOT KEEP TOXIC PEOPLE IN YOUR LIFE. You found out she has next to no self accountability and so your blog about her while pinpoints sentiment, ultimately, is a rant about how annoyed you are with her. THERE ARE A LOT OF ANNOYING THINGS in life but it seems you are tending to the annoyance of women so incredibly open. NOT SAYING YOU SHOULDN’T BLOG ABOUT SHIT. I AM SAYING is Elyssa worth blogging about!?

    • 7

      Why are you so freakin angry with me all of the time? 2009, the same. 2024, still the same. It’s an ever evolving door of experiences. Elyssa represented a part of a past I wish had better wisdom. Looking at her in hindsight and seeing how it all turned out, basically really sucks. She isn’t someone that deliberately tries to do bad deeds, and I don’t think she will ever be able to do bad things to other people intentionally, especially as an adult. I just wished she had been a different person by now – a grown up version that I can connect with. She can be an interesting person to speak with. She’s not unintelligent. It’s just that, perhaps trauma has caused a major blockage in how she interprets and deciphers life things. I know she needs professional help, but she will never go for it.

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